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Mike Oppenheim's avatar

I have never once understood money, business, or the economy, yet I've always understood trust, obligation, and interdependence. Loved this one!

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Jesse Hirsh's avatar

You definitely have an understanding of those three things. You just don't like them. That prejudice skews your understanding of your understanding.

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Russell McOrmond's avatar

Being aware that other people think differently, and understanding WHY people think that way, is quite different.

I am aware of the pressure most people feel to conform, but that is separate from the specific policies that people are trying to conform to.

Reading the origin stories of other peoples, and what belief systems other societies are trying to conform to, makes me wonder even more why the society I grew up in are following specific Worldviews that grew out of the unique histories of other continents that haven't worked out well even in their places of origin.

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Mike Oppenheim's avatar

Well said, and I actually laughed out loud WITH you at the absurdity of the last sentence! Never thought of it with that clarity...

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Mike Oppenheim's avatar

I definitely DO NOT understand business or the economy. Maybe money, but behavioral economics doesn't actually make any sense to me, the market not trailing or preceding news doesn't make sense to me, and MMT especially makes no sense to me. I don't understand how advertising works, I read constantly about 2/3 (literally read baron's every week since 2001) and I truly can't wrap my brain around any of it. I'm wrong 99/100 times when I try to assess, plan, or understand them... I appreciate your take, but I'm really baffled to the core. I do get greed and hoarding...that makes sense to me...

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Jesse Hirsh's avatar

Again, your comment proves my point. You do understand, far more than most, yet you do not feel your understanding is sufficient. Yet nonetheless, you have an understanding that is more than most.

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Russell McOrmond's avatar

Dunning-Kruger effect.

I feel like this applies to so many things, including self-awareness -- the more self-aware you are, the less self-aware you think you.

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Russell McOrmond's avatar

Sorry. Just looked up.

I guess Imposter syndrome is what people use instead to talk about those with low perceived ability compared to a higher actual ability.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impostor_syndrome

Cool diagrams here to think about....

https://ardalis.com/the-more-you-know-the-more-you-realize-you-dont-know/

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Mike Oppenheim's avatar

I will wear a huge smile all day from reading this; thanks!

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Russell McOrmond's avatar

" I do get greed and hoarding...that makes sense to me..."

I'm not good at throwing things away that I personally don't need any more, but that isn't quite the hoarding people think of. I want anything that exists to find a new home, not be put into a landfill.

My only real connection to greed relates to my learning that I can't trust everyone else. I was still considered a child when I started to question "sharing is caring" as a concept that made sense to me, but I wasn't observing of others (especially adults). It feels like a protection mechanism, a fear of other people taking away my freedom and life, rathere than the desire other people seem to have of wanting to be higher than other people on some arbitrary social hierarchy.

(Related: I learned early as a child that if I didn't say anything out loud, that adults would forget I was there and say more honest things that they never would if they knew a child was listening. I started my observation of other people at that age, and for much of my life tried to mimic that behaviour -- as a defense mechanism -- even if it never made sense to me).

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Kwame Symbolik's avatar

This is beautiful piece of futuristic, documentation and creative inspiration.

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Russell McOrmond's avatar

Was it the intent for the salon to be recorded, but there was a technical problem, or was it intended to be a conversation only with the participants.

Love the choice of TikTok to include at the end. There is so many weird things within the Anglosphere that far too few questions the logic of. Then again, if you question the logic and Anglosphere worldviews out loud (as I have), you get people really triggered.

https://r.flora.ca/p/observing-white-fagility

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Jesse Hirsh's avatar

Yes, it was intended to be a podcast episode. This is what I get for not using my usual free and oss stack.

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